Katie Pavlich On Fox And Friends Gives Her Logic And Facts on Fast And Furious

Will 'Fast and Furious' hurt Obama's re-election chances?

This is a RUSH transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," April 16, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

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O'REILLY: "Factor Follow up" segment tonight will the "Fast and Furious" gun scandal hurt President Obama's re-election chances? As you may know, the Justice Department investigating a federal program that sent automatic weapons to Mexico in an attempt to find out who was buying down there.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fire Arms have lost control of some the weapons and one of them killed a border patrol agent in Arizona.

Joining us now is Katie Pavlich author of the new book just out today "Fast and Furious: Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal and its Shameless Cover-up". Quite a subtitle there?

KATIE PAVLICH, AUTHOR, "FAST AND FURIOUS": Well, it's factual.

O'REILLY: It may be factual, Ms. Pavlich but it has not gotten traction. This story has not hurt President Obama as much as talk radio and some conservative pundits are yelling and screaming and you and your book -- not there and I want to know why. Why aren't people responding to this?

PAVLICH: First of all, people don't know about the details. He is being protected by the mainstream old media on this because they know that if the American people knew about the details of this program and what they did to push a political agenda that it would definitely swipe a second term from Obama.

O'REILLY: All right, let's walk through this very specifically. So who's they? Who hatched this thing?

PAVLICH: NBC has failed to.

O'REILLY: No, no, not in the media.

PAVLICH: The media ok.

O'REILLY: Who is they? Who hatched "Fast and Furious".

PAVLICH: The Justice Department, ATF, officials from the Justice Department, the highest levels, the assistant attorney general --

O'REILLY: Holder.

PAVLICH: Eric Holder.

O'REILLY: Do you think Holder knew in the beginning that before these guns went south of the border that they were heading there.

PAVLICH: Absolutely. In my book (inaudible) that one of the main priorities of the Obama administration in the beginning was to stop trafficking guns a direct -- as a direct order from the President to make sure that guns weren't being trafficked into Mexico. Top priority.

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O'REILLY: Ok stop the guns from going from the USA to Mexico because the Mexicans were screaming about that.

PAVLICH: Right, they were screaming about it.

O'REILLY: All right, so that makes sense. So you say then that Eric Holder, Attorney General knew about this sting but he denied it under oath in front of Congress, correct?

PAVLICH: Not only has he denied it under oath in front of Congress, he has changed his testimony under oath in front of Congress.

O'REILLY: So that's perjury if true. How can you prove, you, the author of this book, that he did know from the conception that these guns were going down there? How you can prove it?

PAVLICH: Look we have -- Eric Holder in his first testimony in front of Congress about "Fast and Furious" May 2nd, 2011 claimed he knew about it for a couple of weeks. Back pedaled find out -- we find out that we have memos in the book addressed directly to Eric Holder a year, five of them dated July 2010, August 2010.

O'REILLY: Ok but then a second appearance he said yes, yes, yes now I remember but I didn't remember then. But you're saying from the jump before even guns went down he knew. And he certainly denies that.

So why aren't the Congress, the Republicans in Congress and the Senate, why aren't they bringing him up against charges? Why aren't they doing that?

PAVLICH: Well, I think it's time. Chairman Issa has done a very good job of doing the best he can with the Justice Department. They've stonewalled and they have been acting guilty since day one. They haven't been providing any documents as people know.

And in the book we document and show all the connections between Eric Holder, Barack Obama and going back into the Clinton era and what their political agenda behind this whole thing was.

O'REILLY: The political agenda, again, being stopping guns from going into Mexico because the Mexican government. No what is the political agenda?

PAVLICH: No their political agenda behind this entire thing was to blame American gun shops for cartel violence in America in order to push an anti-second amendment, more regulations on these gun shops.

O'REILLY: So it gets a little bit more complicated. You're into the conspiracy thing now not just the hardware thing about it that this was a designed thing to blame gun shops and try to get Second Amendment Rights curtailed.

PAVLICH: Well it's not -- it's not a conspiracy. It's the facts. We have e-mails in the book, documentations showing.

O'REILLY: And who is behind that conspiracy or that plan? Who is behind that?

PAVLICH: The Justice Department.

O'REILLY: But give me a name? I mean, who is running this operation.

PAVLICH: Look, we document in the book the anti-Second Amendment records of Eric Holder, Barack Obama going all the way back to the Clinton administration. The main players in "Fast and Furious". Dennis Burke former U.S. Attorney in Arizona helped craft the Clinton assault rifle ban with Rahm Emanuel.

Now, you fast forward that into the year 2010 and the Gun Control Legislation at an all-time low for approval in America. People don't want it. So, in this administration, what they do, they go around Congress and against the American people and what they want to get their political agenda through and what they did, in this program, is they blamed the gun shops, didn't track the guns into Mexico.

The goal from the beginning was never to track these guns to act like they kind of lost track of them. Like it was a botched operation; it's false. They never had any plans to track these guns.


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Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal

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• Katie Pavlich 
  News Editor, Townhall
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  Operation Fast and Furious is the deadliest and most sinister scandal in American history. A scandal so big, it’s worse than Iran-Contra and makes Watergate look like a high school prank gone wrong.
  In the early days of the Obama Administration, President Obama claimed his goal was to stop the trafficking of guns from the United States into the hands of violent Mexican drug cartels. He claimed gun dealers in the United States were responsible for sending guns to Mexico. Both of his claims were lies.
  In order to push his lies and policies built around them, with a goal of implementing harsher gun control laws and reinstating the assault weapons ban, President Obama packed his administration full of anti-Second Amendment zealots. After all, personnel is policy.
  In my new book, Fast and Furious: Barack Obama’s Bloodiest Scandal and Its Shameless Coverup, I document the conspiracy of senior Obama officials to subvert the Second Amendment, which led directly to the murders of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, I.C.E. Agent Jaime Zapata and countless, faceless lives in Mexico. It debunks the Obama administration’s lies, denials and excuses. This administration was willing to use humans as collateral damage to push a political agenda, and had no shame in doing so. Now, the administration has no shame in covering up their reckless actions.
  
  
  Since just moments after Brian Terry was killed in the Arizona desert on December 15, 2010 by Mexican cartel thugs, carrying AK-47s provided to them by the Obama Justice Department through Operation Fast and Furious, the FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, Justice Department and the White House have been engaged in a full scale cover-up.  These are simply names of government agencies, but who are the people behind the cover-up?
  
  
  
  
  I unravel a tangled web connecting President Obama, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano and a number of advisors and political appointees behind Fast and Furious. These officials have deep loyalties to each other and their anti-Second Amendment ideology dating as far back as the Clinton Administration. In fact, many key Fast and Furious players  have deep ties to Chicago and helped craft the 1994 Clinton assault weapons ban legislation. 
  If the majority of American people knew Fast and Furious like they know Solyndra or the GSA scandal, they would be outraged. Despite very few exceptions, the media has been complicit in the cover-up of Obama’s bloodiest scandal by ignoring and refusing to report about it. Why? To protect the President. This scandal, one that has left hundreds of bodies in its wake, would be deadly to the administration. This is the scandal that will bring President Obama down in November, so long as the American people know its details.
  Over the weekend, GOP Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney officially made Fast and Furious a general election issue. His advisors are now directly pointing to the scandal as an example of how the Obama Administration used in its first term to “provide cover for potential efforts to restrict Second Amendment rights." In the book, I provide the documents and interviews to prove it.
  The Obama administration is acting guilty, not innocent, in its actions to continually stonewall and deny the truth. Any American who believes the President, the Attorney General of the United States, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and a long list of other government officials responsible for this reckless program are not above the law, need this book.
  Operation Fast and Furious wasn't a "botched" program. It was a calculated and lethal decision to purposely place thousand of guns into the hands of ruthless criminals. The operation was a coordinated and planned effort not to track guns, but to arm thugs south of the border for political gain. Eric Holder should be removed from office for incompetence, dishonesty and charged with perjury. My sources, documented in the book, say Janet Napolitano may also face charges of perjury and potentially obstruction of justice. It is time for President Obama to take responsibility, denounce the operation and fire those involved.
  You can buy a copy at Amazon.
  
  
  Katie Pavlich TownHall.com